In May 1940, they closed us in.
You know, they came in in 1939, in September.
By 1940, they enclosed the ghetto,
and that's when the real problems started.
They put up wired walls...
all around the whole section,
what they picked as the ghetto.
Matter of fact, they had a street car going...
between one of those main streets.
They had to have their transportation-- not for us, but for themselves,
for the people who lived in Lodz--
for the gentiles and on their own.
So what they did, they made sections,
like two walls in between, where the street car would go.
And over the walls, they had a wooden bridge going,
with stairs going up, going across and then go down.
And certain sections, where they have those street cars going--
Like I said, it was a pretty big area, you know.
And being in the ghetto,
the starvation was very tremendous.
People were dying for hunger as it was going on on the streets.
But besides all that, we would--
They would come in, close up streets,
make everybody go down in the yard or on the streets.
And they would always take people away.
And that was going on all through the years being in the ghetto.
You're always living in fear. Besides being hungry, you had the fear with it.